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Aug. 2nd, 2003
Again, just for my own personal files...
Aug. 2nd, 2003 05:04 amYes, I'm still going on about this subject. I promise to stop soon. Feel free to skip this post. At least I put them behind a cut tag, right? ;)
( Sticking Your Hand in the Crazy )
( Sticking Your Hand in the Crazy )
Again, just for my own personal files...
Aug. 2nd, 2003 05:04 amYes, I'm still going on about this subject. I promise to stop soon. Feel free to skip this post. At least I put them behind a cut tag, right? ;)
( Sticking Your Hand in the Crazy )
( Sticking Your Hand in the Crazy )
My mother on gay marriage
Aug. 2nd, 2003 06:25 pmSo I showed her this link that ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
fearsclave thoughtfully provided.
She threw a fit, naturally. "Why don't they just abolish all institutions entirely, then?" she pontificated sarcastically. "Start with a clean slate? Clearly tradition means nothing to these people." (My mother likes demonstrative pronouns: it helps her to distance herself from stuff she finds distasteful)
I actually made some headway in this conversation. Namely, I got her to agree with me that the State needs to recognise homosexual unions.
Not marriage, which is religious. She believes that religious ceremonies are sacrosanct and part of a long standing tradition and should not be meddled with. My mother is something of a traditionalist/conformist/revisionist type.
However, when I explained that that was why we have a division of Church and State, she warmed to me. I explained that in the US (this was some tricky manoeuvering on my part, because she hates the US so much that if I use them in an argument she'll automatically take the opposing viewpoint) they were seeking to prevent gay marriage on *moral* grounds, when in fact the State has "no place in the bedrooms of the nation" (another tricky manoeuver: quote Pierre Trudeau, whom she quite liked because she has a thing for charismatic politicians no matter what their leanings).
I argued that the US was defining gays as "inferior" people, from a social and moral standpoint, much like they had defined black people as inferior fifty years ago. While my mother is as racist as she is homophobic, she *does* understand the concept of equality, and she does believe in the equal treatment of human beings. She also massively objected to Bush's use of the word "sinners" in his speech, which for her is also part of that sacrosanct tradition that Bush has sullied by using it for his own purposes.
The conclusion? I finally found a use for Bush: using him as a weapon to fight my mother's prejudices.
Ironic, no?
fearsclave thoughtfully provided.She threw a fit, naturally. "Why don't they just abolish all institutions entirely, then?" she pontificated sarcastically. "Start with a clean slate? Clearly tradition means nothing to these people." (My mother likes demonstrative pronouns: it helps her to distance herself from stuff she finds distasteful)
I actually made some headway in this conversation. Namely, I got her to agree with me that the State needs to recognise homosexual unions.
Not marriage, which is religious. She believes that religious ceremonies are sacrosanct and part of a long standing tradition and should not be meddled with. My mother is something of a traditionalist/conformist/revisionist type.
However, when I explained that that was why we have a division of Church and State, she warmed to me. I explained that in the US (this was some tricky manoeuvering on my part, because she hates the US so much that if I use them in an argument she'll automatically take the opposing viewpoint) they were seeking to prevent gay marriage on *moral* grounds, when in fact the State has "no place in the bedrooms of the nation" (another tricky manoeuver: quote Pierre Trudeau, whom she quite liked because she has a thing for charismatic politicians no matter what their leanings).
I argued that the US was defining gays as "inferior" people, from a social and moral standpoint, much like they had defined black people as inferior fifty years ago. While my mother is as racist as she is homophobic, she *does* understand the concept of equality, and she does believe in the equal treatment of human beings. She also massively objected to Bush's use of the word "sinners" in his speech, which for her is also part of that sacrosanct tradition that Bush has sullied by using it for his own purposes.
The conclusion? I finally found a use for Bush: using him as a weapon to fight my mother's prejudices.
Ironic, no?
My mother on gay marriage
Aug. 2nd, 2003 06:25 pmSo I showed her this link that fearsclave thoughtfully provided.
She threw a fit, naturally. "Why don't they just abolish all institutions entirely, then?" she pontificated sarcastically. "Start with a clean slate? Clearly tradition means nothing to these people." (My mother likes demonstrative pronouns: it helps her to distance herself from stuff she finds distasteful)
I actually made some headway in this conversation. Namely, I got her to agree with me that the State needs to recognise homosexual unions.
Not marriage, which is religious. She believes that religious ceremonies are sacrosanct and part of a long standing tradition and should not be meddled with. My mother is something of a traditionalist/conformist/revisionist type.
However, when I explained that that was why we have a division of Church and State, she warmed to me. I explained that in the US (this was some tricky manoeuvering on my part, because she hates the US so much that if I use them in an argument she'll automatically take the opposing viewpoint) they were seeking to prevent gay marriage on *moral* grounds, when in fact the State has "no place in the bedrooms of the nation" (another tricky manoeuver: quote Pierre Trudeau, whom she quite liked because she has a thing for charismatic politicians no matter what their leanings).
I argued that the US was defining gays as "inferior" people, from a social and moral standpoint, much like they had defined black people as inferior fifty years ago. While my mother is as racist as she is homophobic, she *does* understand the concept of equality, and she does believe in the equal treatment of human beings. She also massively objected to Bush's use of the word "sinners" in his speech, which for her is also part of that sacrosanct tradition that Bush has sullied by using it for his own purposes.
The conclusion? I finally found a use for Bush: using him as a weapon to fight my mother's prejudices.
Ironic, no?
fearsclave thoughtfully provided.She threw a fit, naturally. "Why don't they just abolish all institutions entirely, then?" she pontificated sarcastically. "Start with a clean slate? Clearly tradition means nothing to these people." (My mother likes demonstrative pronouns: it helps her to distance herself from stuff she finds distasteful)
I actually made some headway in this conversation. Namely, I got her to agree with me that the State needs to recognise homosexual unions.
Not marriage, which is religious. She believes that religious ceremonies are sacrosanct and part of a long standing tradition and should not be meddled with. My mother is something of a traditionalist/conformist/revisionist type.
However, when I explained that that was why we have a division of Church and State, she warmed to me. I explained that in the US (this was some tricky manoeuvering on my part, because she hates the US so much that if I use them in an argument she'll automatically take the opposing viewpoint) they were seeking to prevent gay marriage on *moral* grounds, when in fact the State has "no place in the bedrooms of the nation" (another tricky manoeuver: quote Pierre Trudeau, whom she quite liked because she has a thing for charismatic politicians no matter what their leanings).
I argued that the US was defining gays as "inferior" people, from a social and moral standpoint, much like they had defined black people as inferior fifty years ago. While my mother is as racist as she is homophobic, she *does* understand the concept of equality, and she does believe in the equal treatment of human beings. She also massively objected to Bush's use of the word "sinners" in his speech, which for her is also part of that sacrosanct tradition that Bush has sullied by using it for his own purposes.
The conclusion? I finally found a use for Bush: using him as a weapon to fight my mother's prejudices.
Ironic, no?
Gacked from strikemyfancy who gacked it from someone else.
It would be funnier if it weren't true. :/
( George W. Bush's resume )
strikemyfancy who gacked it from someone else.It would be funnier if it weren't true. :/
( George W. Bush's resume )
Gacked from strikemyfancy who gacked it from someone else.
It would be funnier if it weren't true. :/
( George W. Bush's resume )
strikemyfancy who gacked it from someone else.It would be funnier if it weren't true. :/
( George W. Bush's resume )
Yay for webs!
Aug. 2nd, 2003 07:20 pmMy sweetie Abi is looking for a friend of hers that she's lost touch with. This is probably aimed more at US people, but you never know. :)
Here's what she had to say:
Three years ago I lost touch with a very dear friend named Damian Skowronek. He is from Hartford, CT, and attended Trinity College with a degree in Philosophy. He plays guitar like a superstar and is the kindest soul you'll ever meet. I miss him, and neither his family nor mutual friends know where he's gone off to. I haven't received any replies to his email.
Please, help me by creating a web. If we all web out, eventually, it's possible, that someone knows something...
Please please please cross post this in your journal. Ask your friends to do the same. The more people who do this, the better chances I have at getting ahold of him again. It's very important.
My email is follyiswisdom@hotmail.com.
Mention Abigail in Vermont, he'll know who I am.
You can see the full post here, if you want to link back to it, my own LJ being friends-only and all.
Here's what she had to say:
Three years ago I lost touch with a very dear friend named Damian Skowronek. He is from Hartford, CT, and attended Trinity College with a degree in Philosophy. He plays guitar like a superstar and is the kindest soul you'll ever meet. I miss him, and neither his family nor mutual friends know where he's gone off to. I haven't received any replies to his email.
Please, help me by creating a web. If we all web out, eventually, it's possible, that someone knows something...
Please please please cross post this in your journal. Ask your friends to do the same. The more people who do this, the better chances I have at getting ahold of him again. It's very important.
My email is follyiswisdom@hotmail.com.
Mention Abigail in Vermont, he'll know who I am.
You can see the full post here, if you want to link back to it, my own LJ being friends-only and all.
Yay for webs!
Aug. 2nd, 2003 07:20 pmMy sweetie Abi is looking for a friend of hers that she's lost touch with. This is probably aimed more at US people, but you never know. :)
Here's what she had to say:
Three years ago I lost touch with a very dear friend named Damian Skowronek. He is from Hartford, CT, and attended Trinity College with a degree in Philosophy. He plays guitar like a superstar and is the kindest soul you'll ever meet. I miss him, and neither his family nor mutual friends know where he's gone off to. I haven't received any replies to his email.
Please, help me by creating a web. If we all web out, eventually, it's possible, that someone knows something...
Please please please cross post this in your journal. Ask your friends to do the same. The more people who do this, the better chances I have at getting ahold of him again. It's very important.
My email is follyiswisdom@hotmail.com.
Mention Abigail in Vermont, he'll know who I am.
You can see the full post here, if you want to link back to it, my own LJ being friends-only and all.
Here's what she had to say:
Three years ago I lost touch with a very dear friend named Damian Skowronek. He is from Hartford, CT, and attended Trinity College with a degree in Philosophy. He plays guitar like a superstar and is the kindest soul you'll ever meet. I miss him, and neither his family nor mutual friends know where he's gone off to. I haven't received any replies to his email.
Please, help me by creating a web. If we all web out, eventually, it's possible, that someone knows something...
Please please please cross post this in your journal. Ask your friends to do the same. The more people who do this, the better chances I have at getting ahold of him again. It's very important.
My email is follyiswisdom@hotmail.com.
Mention Abigail in Vermont, he'll know who I am.
You can see the full post here, if you want to link back to it, my own LJ being friends-only and all.