Separatism is low-priority and unpopular in Quebec just at the moment. I see no indication that the Bloc are going anywhere, despite their separatist leanings. If that flares up again I might reconsider my decision. However, right now were there only two names on my ballot, one Bloc and the other Conservative, I would vote Bloc in an instant and feel I made the right choice.
The person most dedicated to blowing up the country right now is named Stephen Harper, and he happens to be PM.
I see no indication that the Bloc are going anywhere, despite their separatist leanings.
They just have gotten somewhere. The new coalition will be completely dependent on their support. If it goes through, it completely undermines the idea that a vote for the Bloc is a wasted vote, because it shows that they CAN affect government substantially.
I think it's a very, VERY bad idea to think that separatism is no longer a threat. Isn't that what people said in 1982? Weren't the Liberals confident that they'd win the 1995 Referendum, just before they came within 0.6 percent of losing it?
Please point to me where I said in that last post that separatism is no longer a threat, and that the Bloc do not affect government, or that a Bloc vote is a wasted vote.
I said that separatism is currently unpopular, and that I would vote for a Bloc candidate over a Conservative if those were my only choices.
Please point to me where I said in that last post that separatism is no longer a threat
Isn't that implicit in what you said? Surely you wouldn't vote for the Bloc if you expect separatism to flare up shortly thereafter.
The part about the Bloc not affecting gov't and thus being a wasted vote is not something you said, but rather the common refrain that the other parties have been using to dissuade Quebeckers from voting Bloc. The BQ can never form a government, so what's the point? And with this coalition, that argument will be severely undermined.
Separatism is low-priority and unpopular in Quebec just at the moment. I see no indication that the Bloc are going anywhere, despite their separatist leanings. If that flares up again I might reconsider my decision.
Note the last sentence.
So no, I wouldn't vote for the Bloc if I expected separatism to flare up shortly thereafter. As I've said before, separatism is not popular right now. That could change, at which point my opinions on the party would change.
'No longer a threat' implies to me that I think separatism is completely dead, which I don't. Nor did I say that. Nor am I likely to.
Except that the Parti Québécois has been banging the drums of separation practically since the provincial election began, and even more so in the last few days.
It's a little alarming, given how much yet another debate/referendum/debacle would cost...
The person most dedicated to blowing up the country right now is named
It's a sad statement on both Canadian and Québec politics (far worse than other countries I have spent time in) that so much of the 'debate' on policy takes the form of demonizing those we disagree with and impugning their motives rather than just debating the merits of their policy proposals.
The disappointment of that is quite poignant right now where the whole affair in Ottawa has come down to some politicians not only don't like one proposal that some others have made but actually refuse to a) debate it and b) accept it being retracted.
It's a great way to avoid discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of the proposed changes to collective bargaining law (also retracted), pension and rrsp changes and the accelerated infrastructure spending....
Be nice if one day in the future our members of parliament start speaking (of course they would need to listen to the public too)....
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Date: 2008-12-03 03:49 pm (UTC)The person most dedicated to blowing up the country right now is named Stephen Harper, and he happens to be PM.
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Date: 2008-12-03 03:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-03 04:10 pm (UTC)They just have gotten somewhere. The new coalition will be completely dependent on their support. If it goes through, it completely undermines the idea that a vote for the Bloc is a wasted vote, because it shows that they CAN affect government substantially.
I think it's a very, VERY bad idea to think that separatism is no longer a threat. Isn't that what people said in 1982? Weren't the Liberals confident that they'd win the 1995 Referendum, just before they came within 0.6 percent of losing it?
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Date: 2008-12-03 04:27 pm (UTC)I said that separatism is currently unpopular, and that I would vote for a Bloc candidate over a Conservative if those were my only choices.
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Date: 2008-12-03 04:45 pm (UTC)Isn't that implicit in what you said? Surely you wouldn't vote for the Bloc if you expect separatism to flare up shortly thereafter.
The part about the Bloc not affecting gov't and thus being a wasted vote is not something you said, but rather the common refrain that the other parties have been using to dissuade Quebeckers from voting Bloc. The BQ can never form a government, so what's the point? And with this coalition, that argument will be severely undermined.
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Date: 2008-12-03 05:10 pm (UTC)Separatism is low-priority and unpopular in Quebec just at the moment. I see no indication that the Bloc are going anywhere, despite their separatist leanings. If that flares up again I might reconsider my decision.
Note the last sentence.
So no, I wouldn't vote for the Bloc if I expected separatism to flare up shortly thereafter. As I've said before, separatism is not popular right now. That could change, at which point my opinions on the party would change.
'No longer a threat' implies to me that I think separatism is completely dead, which I don't. Nor did I say that. Nor am I likely to.
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Date: 2008-12-03 05:06 pm (UTC)It's a little alarming, given how much yet another debate/referendum/debacle would cost...
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Date: 2008-12-03 05:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-04 03:16 am (UTC)It's a sad statement on both Canadian and Québec politics (far worse than other countries I have spent time in) that so much of the 'debate' on policy takes the form of demonizing those we disagree with and impugning their motives rather than just debating the merits of their policy proposals.
The disappointment of that is quite poignant right now where the whole affair in Ottawa has come down to some politicians not only don't like one proposal that some others have made but actually refuse to a) debate it and b) accept it being retracted.
It's a great way to avoid discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of the proposed changes to collective bargaining law (also retracted), pension and rrsp changes and the accelerated infrastructure spending....
Be nice if one day in the future our members of parliament start speaking (of course they would need to listen to the public too)....