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mousme ([personal profile] mousme) wrote2009-03-11 11:41 am
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On explaining privilege

I keep coming back to RaceFail09. I really wish I wasn't, but it's troubling me, for obvious reasons, and not-so-obvious reasons.

I am not going to try to unpack the invisible knapsack here. I'm just thinking out loud.

Okay, so I am what the Intarwebs would consider a PWC (Privileged White Chick). So far, so good. I am also a lesbian. That makes me both a woman and homosexual. Still with me? Good.

This means that I get the dubious privilege of explaining privilege to those around me who are either not women, or not homosexual, or neither of the above. I get questions on the topic of GLBT issues all the time, especially when I start a new job/meet someone new/enter a new situation. Essentially, I spend a lot of time coming out to people, and then explaining What It All Means. Whether I like it or not, people assume that I am somehow the Official Representative of the Local GLBT Community (which is totally not the case, and I usually try to explain this right off the bat, as part of my little GLBT 101 spiel).

Clicking on a lot of links in the Epic Debate Fail Of Doom, I am coming across a plethora of posts by self-described PoCs (People of Colour), who are righteously annoyed at having to explain themselves to the PWPs (Privileged White People) who ask them for information/clarification/cluebats/etc. Some have downright been foaming at the mouth.

Okay. So I get that this is annoying/frustrating/makes you want to tear your hair out by the roots/possibly commit vehicular manslaughter after particularly stupid-seeming questions. I get it, I do. If one more person asks me if I would choose to be straight if I were given the opportunity, I may not be held responsible for my actions.

That being said, I feel that it is important for me to do this anyway, regardless of what my feelings are on the subject. Yes, it's annoying when someone proclaims that their good friend/cousin/mailmain/busboy is gay and that's totally fine with them, and it's annoying that they seem to want a pat and a cookie for it. But you know what?

They're not going to educate themselves.

It's as simple as that, really. If we, the People Lacking $Privilege, don't say: "You are mistaken in your assumption, and here's why," they are never, ever going to get it. No way, no how. I'm not suggesting that we need to deliver a three-hour multimedia presentation on the ins and outs of privilege, and spoon-feed it to them. But give them something, for crying out loud!

PWPs, myself included, are far from immune from asking really stupid questions to which we honestly don't have the answer. From my perspective, when I ask a stupid question, it's okay to look at me as though I just grew antlers (although my feelings will be hurt, I have yet to die from that particular affliction), but then I would very much like to be told why my question was stupid. It was asked in good faith, and a good faith answer would be appreciated. Even if it's an answer along the lines of: "That question isn't relevant/is stupid, and I don't have the time/energy/capacity to explain it to you in full, but some research in $Place is a good place to start."

Yes, it's tiresome. No, we shouldn't have to do it. No, each individual should not have to suddenly be the representative of $Group to which they belong. It sucks. Absolutely. Nonetheless, it's the reality of the situation, and at the very least the PWPs ought to be encouraged to move past those first tentative steps they're taking, to take the initiative and go out and educate themselves. First steps aren't enough, but if they get whacked on the head with the You-Are-Privileged-And-Therefore-Wrong-Forever Stick, then they're going to pull back into their shell and never come out again, and now it's a lost cause. First steps don't deserve a cookie, but they don't deserve a beatdown, either.

Oh, and while I can fully understand that that last paragraph is essentially an argument about tone, please rest assured that I am not trying to say "If only people had been more civil/polite/less hateful/whatever attribute you please, then this terrible misunderstanding would never have happened," because of course that's patently not true. Maybe the debate would have taken on a different form, and that form would likely have been equally filled with fail on both sides. I'm just lamenting the fact that many people (the aforementioned PWPs) are going to come away from this angry, more confused than ever, and less willing to learn.

I keep swearing I'm done with this, but then I come back and poke at it some more, so I'm no longer going to promise anything. :P

:::ETA:::

I have apparently been linked into [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong's Linkspam of Doom thing.

So, dear New People Following The Fail To My LJ, I feel compelled to lay down a ground rule, should you want to comment.

Don't be an asshat.

This means no flaming, no personal attacks, no mudslinging, no outing people. Post in good faith, and with an open mind. Wait ten minutes before typing your responses, if you must. If you're still mad, then wait ten more minutes.

My friends (LJ and RL) are a varied bunch, with a wide range of experiences and opinions. The one thing they have in common in this LJ is respect of my space. I would ask that you also show this respect in your posts. (So far so good, btw.)

If you don't follow this one rule, I will ban you summarily, no questions asked.

[identity profile] amanda-mary.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really perfectly willing to do a lot of the legwork when it comes to educating myself about my myriad priveleges, but, short of turning to a helpful liaison from a community/group lacking in said priveleges (who I realize can only speak to individual experience authoritatively, but may be able to offer more global insights as well), I don't really know what source of information would be legitimately informative. If I read a book on the topic, for example, how condescending would it be to claim, "Hey! I have Knowledge, now. I read a book!"?

That's the rub I've encountered ... .
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[identity profile] terredancer.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
First steps aren't enough, but if they get whacked on the head with the You-Are-Privileged-And-Therefore-Wrong-Forever Stick, then they're going to pull back into their shell and never come out again, and now it's a lost cause.

Alternately, you get people like me, who has been introduced to the Privileged stick often enough (not really beaten with it much, but told I won't understand anything because of PWC issue) that I wander around apologizing at random for things that I don't understand but maybe a quarter of.

I can't even read any of this, and while some of my flist is all like "that's the advantage of privilege, that you don't have to deal with it", that comes across almost like a guilt trip, and I guess I don't see the point if I'm just going to reinforce the urge to sit and apologize for everything that has been done or not done, or that I may not understand.

[identity profile] owldaughter.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. As someone kind of public who follows a not exactly clear-cut or easily understood spiritual path, I get asked what sound like lame questions all the time.

Except they're not lame when coming from someone who knows nothing about it. And if they're asking, it means they want to know more for some reason. And it's counterproductive to refuse to answer, or hit them with the You-Are-Privileged-And-Therefore-Wrong-Forever Stick. Yes, the question may sound lame to you, but they don't have a context for it yet. They're asking in the only way they can. They can try to be more sensitive, but since they don't know what constitutes insensitive in this context, they're flailing anyway.

So, erm, yeah.

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Pretty much, which is why I find it a bit flabbergasting that people are angry about being asked for information. Clearly I Just Don't Get It. :P

[identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Antlers would suit you. You'd look good in them.

Seriously.

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Promise not to shoot me when I'm in season?

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I stopped apologizing a while back, around the same time that I stopped feeling the need to constantly explain myself as well. I still get the urge from time to time, but it's a lot better now. ;)

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Precisely. The only way for people to not ask stupid questions is to provide them with both information and the context for said information. I am having a lot of trouble with the rage coming from people who are tired of explaining things to n00bs.

*shrug*

I got nothin', really. I'm just perplexed.

[identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't worry :). It wasn't a hunting-based comment, it was just the product of the realization that you'd look very striking with antlers. Mental imagery strikes again. You should get an icon done.

Race!Fail is beginning to intrigue me. I've been noodling this privilege notion around for a while now, and I'm beginning to think that RF might be a good opportunity to observe its behaviour in its natural habitat...

[identity profile] bodhifox.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Militant Dianic Wiccans make me want to kick them. Other than that, I really don't care, because I don't like most people equally. Except for the ones I like, and them I like unconditionally. It's not a matter of someone's race or gender or religion or whatever being OK with me, it's just, "Are you a dick? No? Shiny."
Edited 2009-03-11 17:30 (UTC)

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
RF is maybe not exactly it's natural habitat. It's sort of what happens to privilege's natural habitat after a cyclone or a tsunami. :P

[identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
So everybody has firmly entrenched themselves in fortified positions at opposite extremes and have been vigorously deploying the napalm dispensers?

[identity profile] owldaughter.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I have my ragey moments too, but rather than blowing up and setting debate back however much it would be set back by castigating people who don't yet know the context they're looking for ( and damaging the very thing I'm supposed to represent), I betake myself to my Growlery and don't interact for a couple of years, until I feel I'm ready to go forth as a representative again.

[identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't treat people with any less consideration and courtesy just because they're different from you, and apologize to nobody.

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes and no. There are people trying to maintain a middle ground, and they're getting vaporized by both sides quite nicely.

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. And I will NOT let people guilt me into interacting when I don't feel like it.

"Retreating is a privilege!" my ass.

[identity profile] sorceror.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the point is that there are already resources out there for people who are genuinely interested, and they're just one Google away. So asking someone to explain some of these very basic things comes across as laziness and insincerity: it's like asking somebody to do your homework for you, or to repeat themselves because you didn't bother to listen the first ten times they said it (anyone remember the whole Amanda Marcotte thing last year?).

As someone said somewhere in this whole imbroglio (and don't ask me where, because I've been wading through far too much of it, and I'm only paraphrasing): if you can use Google to find out the height of Niagara Falls for a geography project, you can use it for this.

[identity profile] owldaughter.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
People are vaporizing people on their own sides, too. It's a train wreck.

[identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Please stop making this sound so interesting and attractive :). My argumentophiliac tendencies are twinging like mad at the prospect of some real juicy, interesting, um... frank exchanges of views(?).

[identity profile] karine.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
This is why I'm sticking my fingers in my ears and going "LALALALALA". I'm far too afraid of getting entangled in the DRAMAZ of the INTERWEBZ, and this is a breeding ground for it.

I'd rather have a good, solid discussion with some people in person about touchy subjects like these instead of being assaulted by the anonymity of the internet and the tons of people who make assumptions about you because you happen to fit a certain generalized profile, in a medium where things like tone and body language cannot be communicated to accompany the words.

[identity profile] owldaughter.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Heartily seconded.

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Unlike the height of Niagara Falls, though, this is a difficult topic, with wide-ranging implications. My university profs always told me that the internet is made of fail as a source or reliable information, unless you have an outside guide.

If I Google, say, "racism" and "privilege," I get a Wikipedia entry, www.womensspace.org, and a link to a book on Amazon whose author I've never heard of and which was published in 1976, as the first three results. If I am coming at this from the perspective of someone who is just at the very beginnings of learning, then how am I supposed to know what sources are reliable and which aren't?

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
No! Halt! Stop! Desist! It's for your own good, I swear. ;)

[identity profile] ai731.livejournal.com 2009-03-11 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
And thirded.
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[personal profile] sirena73 2009-03-11 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just here to second the "Phnee would look awesome in antlers" comment.
Carry on.

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