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mousme ([personal profile] mousme) wrote2005-12-15 12:06 pm
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Why Mr. Harper, is that a giant skeleton that just fell out of your closet?

:::crash, clatter, rattle:::

I do believe it was. :D

Or, as [livejournal.com profile] forthright would put it: "Oh, Stephen Harper, you clod!"

Okay, it's probably not a secret that I'm not a fan of the not-so-charismatic leader of the Conservative Party. However, I leave it up to you to read this text of a speech he gave to a right-wing US think tank back in 1997 and make up your own minds.

If you think he's full of shit, by all means propagate the link in your blogs. After all, the more people see this, the better.

Heck, if you agree with the sentiment, pass it along. After all, the more people see this, the better.

It's not as dire as the Liberal Party is making it out to be, but it's still pretty appalling, IMNSHO. And, as [livejournal.com profile] fearsclave said, it does open him up to accusations of having a concealed extreme right-wing agenda, regardless of whether it's true.

The lesson is this, boys and girls: it's not a good idea to make unguarded extremist statements at any time if you're in politics. They will come back to bite you on the ass. I'm looking forward to seeing the Conservatives skate around on this one.

Ganked from [livejournal.com profile] fearsclave.


:::ETA::::

"The NDP is proof that the Devil exists and interferes in the lives of men."

Best. Quote. Evar.

Re: That's a bit to wade through this morning...

[identity profile] forthright.livejournal.com 2005-12-15 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
You can't seriously believe that somehow anyone (much less a politician) can completely ignore their own opinions. And note how many times he's not simply talking about his own opinions, but his party's policies (policies which he helped write). In any event, it's not about whether he's going to toss promises aside, but the issues he hasn't raised, or hasn't made promises about. It's that sort of agenda that we, the voters, have every right to question.

Now, if this were just an isolated talk from '97, sure, I might buy that somehow this was just an off-the-cuff set of remarks that don't reflect his party's policies. But there are too many clues and hints from '93 right up to the present that suggest that behind his purported populism there is in fact a very strong desire to align Canadian politics with the radical evangelical right-wing Republicans in America.

Bottom line: do *YOU* believe that this is just a personal statement of opinion? Because I don't see any reason to believe that.

Re: That's a bit to wade through this morning...

[identity profile] sorceror.livejournal.com 2005-12-15 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't say he would completely ignore his own opinions. I said that he would be bound by his party's stated positions *in spite of* his personal opinion should the two conflict.

And I think this is very much about whether he's going to toss promises aside. The standard Liberal tactic is to imply that the Conservatives (or Reform, or the Alliance) has a 'secret agenda' that they will impose on the country the moment they're elected, so better not take that chance -- it's just too dangerous, no matter what the Liberals have done.

But what, exactly, are you afraid he's going to do? Will the Conservatives repeal Medicare? Strip away senior citizens' pensions? Of course not. And if you really are worried that they might, ask Harper for a formal statement and judge him on his reply. This idea that he's unfit to be Prime Minister (as opposed to the criminals we have now) simply because he openly expressed certain views as a private citizen eight years ago is preposterous.

The implication seems to be that it's dangerous for Harper even to hold opinions, because... what? He might try to convince Canadians that there are problems with our system after all? That real conservative solutions might be worth looking at? That if he serves a single term as Prime Minister people might find he actually does a decent job? And then it might be politically viable for the Conservatives to run on a more conservative platform in the next election? We can't give the people real choice because, you know, they might make the wrong choice. Spend child care money on popcorn and beer, that sort of thing. [Never mind that it's actually their money to begin with.]

There are too many clues and hints from '93 right up to the present that suggest that behind his purported populism there is in fact a very strong desire to align Canadian politics with the radical evangelical right-wing Republicans in America.

Actually, in that speech he states explicitly that his organization is libertarian, not religious. The suggestion that Harper is a fundamentalist lunatic are completely unfounded, as far as I can tell. They're explicity constructed by his opponents to fit the image they want to project of him and his party, rather than on facts. Is there actual evidence for this?

Be that as it may, it doesn't matter. What matter is what he actually does.

And you know what? If he does do things that the majority of Canadians don't like, we'll be able to throw him out in the next election.

Re: That's a bit to wade through this morning...

[identity profile] forthright.livejournal.com 2005-12-15 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Let's take this over to my journal, if you care to, since I'm not at all comfortable with having a flame war over here in Phnee's journal. I have just made a post where I say all sorts of incendiary things.

Re: That's a bit to wade through this morning...

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2005-12-15 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. In everyone's defense, I sort of started it. ;)

I look forward to reading your inflammatory post. :)

Re: That's a bit to wade through this morning...

[identity profile] meallanmouse.livejournal.com 2005-12-15 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. I quite enjoyed reading his (not really, imho) inflammatory post.