mousme: A view of a woman's legs from behind, wearing knee-high rainbow socks. The rest of the picture is black and white. (This version of the universe)
mousme ([personal profile] mousme) wrote2008-07-23 04:30 am
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You gotta wonder what's wrong with our society...

You have wonder what's wrong with our society when so many people envision a brutal apocalypse as the only solution to our troubles. After Armaggedon, people seem to believe, we're going to settle into some sort of agrarian utopia (after we shoot all the zombies starving looters/suburbanites, that is) and live happily ever after in a world without yuppies, SUVs, or water shortages.

Have things become so bleak that we can't envision things getting any better without most of the world dying off?

[identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
It's not so much the solution to our troubles, it's a likely outcome of current trends. If we're in carrying capacity overshoot, regardless of what we do we're going to get a dieoff :(. I really hope I'm wrong, because policy and social change can't countermand the laws of biology and physics.

I tried the exercise, though. I started doing a list of what we need to do to fix things. It got depressingly long and a lot of it was distressingly unlikely. In no particular order:

1) Convince the governments of the developed and developing worlds to take meaningful, effective legislative action on climate change.

2) Convince the populations of the developed and developing worlds to take meaningful, effective action on climate change via changing their consumption habits.

3) Convince the governments of the developed and developing worlds to take meaningful, effective, and timely steps towards transitioning away from oil towards renewable, sustainable, alternative energy sources.

4) Convince the populations of the developed and developing worlds to change their consumption habits to reduce oil dependency and minimize energy consumption during said transition.

5) Completely alter humanity's food production and distribution systems to eliminate environmentally harmful farming methods, topsoil depletion, dependency on oil for fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, production, harvesting, storage, transport, and distribution, overfishing, and habitat destruction.

6) Once we've done so while somehow managing to produce enough food to still feed everybody, figure out how to allocate and distribute our food production in a just and equitable fashion.

7) Convince the US government that hey, wars of aggression against small oil-producing nations that post no threat to Western Civilization really aren't cool.

8) Convince the jihadis to live in peace and harmony with the rest of us. This might require solving the Israeli/Palestinian problem first.

9) Convince the governments of the developed and developing worlds to take meaningful legislative action on environmental conservation in order to conserve biodiversity and habitat, both on land and in the water.

10) Convince the population of the developed worlds to change their consumption habits for the greener. Meaningfully, not just buying green-labelled versions of the same old crap in the supermarket. Convince everybody else to stop deforesting and otherwise exhausting resources and trashing their environments, even if it means abject poverty for them.

11) Convince the governments of the developing world to take meaningful legislative action on population growth.

12) Convince the population of the developing world to stop having quite so many kids.

That's a dozen unlikely to highly improbable things, and I'm not a character in a Lewis Carroll novel. I just cannot see all of the above happening anytime soon, and I really can't see us as a species waking up in time. If we're lucky, we'll hit the civilizational brick wall after we're dead.

[identity profile] bodhifox.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
Or the Vulcans could land and...

White Lotus Time, Phnee.

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 05:24 am (UTC)(link)
and I'm not a character in a Lewis Carroll novel

Y'know, that might explain some of it...

[identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
The world's gone through the Looking Glass?

I dunno. Not enough sleep, a hairy day in perspective, gray rainy morning, and gloomy talk right before bed, and all of a sudden the world is looking pretty bleak.

Meh. Lots of earthly delight to shift...

[identity profile] mousme.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Rain is good for your broccoli. :)

*hugs*

I'm sorry if I depressed you. I rode my bike into work and back, and while I'm tired and the officers made me cranky during the night, I am looking forward to a day's rest, and am slightly more optimistic than last night.

There's always Saturday to look forward to, as well. We're going to climb a mountain! YAY!

[identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Climbing the mountain sounds like a blast. I need to reping [livejournal.com profile] raven_albion and arrange logistics...

[identity profile] owldaughter.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 01:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope the world hasn't gone through the looking glass. I'm counting on that venue of escape myself when things go Very Wrong. (See List of Dozen Unlikely Things, above.)

[identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com 2008-07-23 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
The urge to start singing White Rabbit is very strong, but the notion of me asking Alice what to do when logic and proportion fall sloppy dead takes me disturbingly way out past the lunatic fringe of gun nuttery...